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		<title>By: More Christ Like</title>
		<link>http://jasonandngoc.com/2006/10/22/lust-whats-the-big-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>More Christ Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie McFall has an interesting way to deal with the so-called exception clause in Matthew 19:9 that appears to allow for divorce and remarriage for marriage unfaithfulness. 

He has written a 43 page paper that reviews the changes in the Greek made by Erasmus that effect the way Matthew 19:9 has been translated. I reviewed McFall&#039;s paper at &lt;a href=&quot;http://morechristlike.com/except-for- fornication-clause-of-matthew-19-9/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Except For Fornication Clause of Matthew 19:9&lt;/a&gt;. I would love to hear some feedback on this position.

I also wrote an article on all most popular reasons that people give for &lt;a href=&quot;http://morechristlike.com/divorce-and-remarriage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Divorce and Remarriage&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie McFall has an interesting way to deal with the so-called exception clause in Matthew 19:9 that appears to allow for divorce and remarriage for marriage unfaithfulness. </p>
<p>He has written a 43 page paper that reviews the changes in the Greek made by Erasmus that effect the way Matthew 19:9 has been translated. I reviewed McFall&#8217;s paper at <a href="http://morechristlike.com/except-for- fornication-clause-of-matthew-19-9/" rel="nofollow" class="extlink">Except For Fornication Clause of Matthew 19:9</a>. I would love to hear some feedback on this position.</p>
<p>I also wrote an article on all most popular reasons that people give for <a href="http://morechristlike.com/divorce-and-remarriage/" rel="nofollow" class="extlink">Divorce and Remarriage</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy 5th of November</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy 5th of November</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lust can indeed cause a person&#039;s judgement to faulter and embrace lying to another person to only attain sex.  The act of lying/decieving in itself is only worse than lust because noone will trust you.

Seeking to live proper, with order, and with honesty provides an infrastructure for life, and infrastructure provides a much smaller margin for hell to poke it&#039;s ugly nose out of reality.

Also, quit smoking.  You&#039;re only telling God &quot;I want to die&quot;.  Share the light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lust can indeed cause a person&#8217;s judgement to faulter and embrace lying to another person to only attain sex.  The act of lying/decieving in itself is only worse than lust because noone will trust you.</p>
<p>Seeking to live proper, with order, and with honesty provides an infrastructure for life, and infrastructure provides a much smaller margin for hell to poke it&#8217;s ugly nose out of reality.</p>
<p>Also, quit smoking.  You&#8217;re only telling God &#8220;I want to die&#8221;.  Share the light!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara (Xerraire)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara (Xerraire)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful post on the subject. It&#039;s nice to see someone look into God&#039;s word so deeply on this subject.

Lust is, indeed a very selfish thing, and you have aptly pointed out that love isn&#039;t selfish.

I also don&#039;t think it is something that just men have to deal with. 

I don&#039;t think lust is something that is just sexual either. One can lust for something other than sex.
Lust perhaps is a pleasure and a dwelling over it.

Either way, you have made a very complete post on the subject, well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful post on the subject. It&#8217;s nice to see someone look into God&#8217;s word so deeply on this subject.</p>
<p>Lust is, indeed a very selfish thing, and you have aptly pointed out that love isn&#8217;t selfish.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think it is something that just men have to deal with. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think lust is something that is just sexual either. One can lust for something other than sex.<br />
Lust perhaps is a pleasure and a dwelling over it.</p>
<p>Either way, you have made a very complete post on the subject, well done.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 13:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having a terrible time at the moment. Firstly I’ll explain the root of the problem. There is a girl that I ‘like’ and have liked for quite some time at school (I am in year 12 – high school - in Australia). Initially, I was pleasantly surprised to find that I was more attracted to her personality than any other attribute. Over time, however, I became increasingly attracted to her in a sexual manner as well as in an emotional way. Last year, before my other friends drove her away by being rude  to her (I always stuck yp for her and openly disapproved of my friends behavior) etc, I used to enjoy her company during lunch time, always knowing that she had a boyfriend. I managed to contain my lust without acting upon it. At this point I suppose I should mention that I am in a wheelchair (Due to Spastic Cerebral Palsy) and have never had a girlfriend before.  This girl basically captivated me in everyway and as time went by my lust for her intensified. In saying that, it was not just lust that captured me but also the desire for companionship and social status, but above all I want her to be happy, hence I have never eluded to my feelings for her as I knew she was and now IS still content with her current situation in terms of her relations with the opposite sex. Anyhow, throughout the Christmas period, whilst holidaying in Melbourne for six weeks I began to wonder if she was still in a relationship with her current boyfriend. Unfortunately over this six week period my thoughts became somewhat irrational and delusional. Wholeheartedly believing that she would no longer be with her boyfriend, I thought I may in fact have a chance with her. Visions surfaced of me with this girl having a great time together being a couple in my mind. To my horror (at some stage in completely separate day dreams or normal dreams) I suddenly began visualizing myself engaging in various sexual acts with her and taking pleasure in the experience of these visualizations. These thoughts excited so much that I found I was searching for something nice that I could do for her in order to improve my chances with her; but above all to make her happy. She has always been so nice to me; hence, I somehow felt the need to return the favor. 

One day during my holiday over east in a news agency Valentines Day cards caught my attention – by this time it was late January. Almost immediately I had what some would describe as an epiphany. A seemingly genius plan miraculously formulated in my head, I would order some roses for Valentines Day, anonymously, of course. January quickly slipped away and the school year commenced with a buzz in early February. With the help of some friends from outside of school I rang up a florist and ordered a bunch of lovely roses to my school in the hope that they would be delivered on the morning of the 14th of Febuary 2007. English class concluded at school and I happily and excitedly set out for my next class. Who should come around corner? It was as predictable as a teenage soapy. This lovely girl saw me and laid her eyes on mine. The roses that she held in her hand where some of the  most beautiful flowers I have ever seen. My wheelchair sped up…I began to rush…she then rushed towards me and said “ Hey James! I got anonymous flowers in class! Look!!” Naturally, I played the game, maintaining a neutral demeanor as much as possible, stating “Oh really?!?! “From who?!? “Who do you think it was?!?!”. She seemed both embarrassed and confused but also happy. Later that week when speaking to her over MSN she told me (not knowing it was me who sent the flowers) that she found the experience a “bit creepy” as it was not her boyfriend that sent them and so on. After examing the context of this comment it appeared to me that she was more frustrated than anything else. 
Several months later, I find myself thinking of this girl and experiencing delusional visualizations literally 24/7 even though I know she has had a stable relationship for over 7 months. Yearning for her so much makes me feel guilty, I know there is no chance for her and I, all I ever want is for her to be happy - but equally, if not more overpowering is my drive to make her happy. My want and need for a girlfriend (for this girl in particular) is so severe that I can no longer cope with it. She is happy and healthy, nevertheless I cannot let go of my delusions. These days, as a result of my stupid friends, our conversations rarely span more than two or three sentences, I don’t even see her outside of school (I would love to) and she STILL consumes my thoughts and my life like a fictitious character occupies the mind of a small child when they read their first adventure book. It is truly and UTTERLY ridiculous. I need help desperately, I believe without a shadow of doubt that mental issues combined with sin are leading me through a life of decay and death of the soul. 

After reading the above post I suddenly realized how many rules I was breaking and how much damage I could potentially cause to myself and to this girl. Pray for me and pray for her. Something tells me we both need it. Please provide me with some advice of some sort of how to overcome this. Scariest of all is that sooner or later my lust will push me to act again and I need to prevent that from occurring so that no harm comes to her or her boyfriend in any way shape or form. Much thought and reflection has taken place over the past few months and still no answer has arrived. God has simply allowed it and is allowing the consequences of my actions to take place as mentioned above. 

“God has two purposes in abandoning the unrighteous to sin: (1) allow sin and its consequences to accelerate as part of his judgment on them (2:2), and (2) to make them realize their need for salvation (2:4).” 

PLEASE HELP ME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having a terrible time at the moment. Firstly I’ll explain the root of the problem. There is a girl that I ‘like’ and have liked for quite some time at school (I am in year 12 – high school &#8211; in Australia). Initially, I was pleasantly surprised to find that I was more attracted to her personality than any other attribute. Over time, however, I became increasingly attracted to her in a sexual manner as well as in an emotional way. Last year, before my other friends drove her away by being rude  to her (I always stuck yp for her and openly disapproved of my friends behavior) etc, I used to enjoy her company during lunch time, always knowing that she had a boyfriend. I managed to contain my lust without acting upon it. At this point I suppose I should mention that I am in a wheelchair (Due to Spastic Cerebral Palsy) and have never had a girlfriend before.  This girl basically captivated me in everyway and as time went by my lust for her intensified. In saying that, it was not just lust that captured me but also the desire for companionship and social status, but above all I want her to be happy, hence I have never eluded to my feelings for her as I knew she was and now IS still content with her current situation in terms of her relations with the opposite sex. Anyhow, throughout the Christmas period, whilst holidaying in Melbourne for six weeks I began to wonder if she was still in a relationship with her current boyfriend. Unfortunately over this six week period my thoughts became somewhat irrational and delusional. Wholeheartedly believing that she would no longer be with her boyfriend, I thought I may in fact have a chance with her. Visions surfaced of me with this girl having a great time together being a couple in my mind. To my horror (at some stage in completely separate day dreams or normal dreams) I suddenly began visualizing myself engaging in various sexual acts with her and taking pleasure in the experience of these visualizations. These thoughts excited so much that I found I was searching for something nice that I could do for her in order to improve my chances with her; but above all to make her happy. She has always been so nice to me; hence, I somehow felt the need to return the favor. </p>
<p>One day during my holiday over east in a news agency Valentines Day cards caught my attention – by this time it was late January. Almost immediately I had what some would describe as an epiphany. A seemingly genius plan miraculously formulated in my head, I would order some roses for Valentines Day, anonymously, of course. January quickly slipped away and the school year commenced with a buzz in early February. With the help of some friends from outside of school I rang up a florist and ordered a bunch of lovely roses to my school in the hope that they would be delivered on the morning of the 14th of Febuary 2007. English class concluded at school and I happily and excitedly set out for my next class. Who should come around corner? It was as predictable as a teenage soapy. This lovely girl saw me and laid her eyes on mine. The roses that she held in her hand where some of the  most beautiful flowers I have ever seen. My wheelchair sped up…I began to rush…she then rushed towards me and said “ Hey James! I got anonymous flowers in class! Look!!” Naturally, I played the game, maintaining a neutral demeanor as much as possible, stating “Oh really?!?! “From who?!? “Who do you think it was?!?!”. She seemed both embarrassed and confused but also happy. Later that week when speaking to her over MSN she told me (not knowing it was me who sent the flowers) that she found the experience a “bit creepy” as it was not her boyfriend that sent them and so on. After examing the context of this comment it appeared to me that she was more frustrated than anything else.<br />
Several months later, I find myself thinking of this girl and experiencing delusional visualizations literally 24/7 even though I know she has had a stable relationship for over 7 months. Yearning for her so much makes me feel guilty, I know there is no chance for her and I, all I ever want is for her to be happy &#8211; but equally, if not more overpowering is my drive to make her happy. My want and need for a girlfriend (for this girl in particular) is so severe that I can no longer cope with it. She is happy and healthy, nevertheless I cannot let go of my delusions. These days, as a result of my stupid friends, our conversations rarely span more than two or three sentences, I don’t even see her outside of school (I would love to) and she STILL consumes my thoughts and my life like a fictitious character occupies the mind of a small child when they read their first adventure book. It is truly and UTTERLY ridiculous. I need help desperately, I believe without a shadow of doubt that mental issues combined with sin are leading me through a life of decay and death of the soul. </p>
<p>After reading the above post I suddenly realized how many rules I was breaking and how much damage I could potentially cause to myself and to this girl. Pray for me and pray for her. Something tells me we both need it. Please provide me with some advice of some sort of how to overcome this. Scariest of all is that sooner or later my lust will push me to act again and I need to prevent that from occurring so that no harm comes to her or her boyfriend in any way shape or form. Much thought and reflection has taken place over the past few months and still no answer has arrived. God has simply allowed it and is allowing the consequences of my actions to take place as mentioned above. </p>
<p>“God has two purposes in abandoning the unrighteous to sin: (1) allow sin and its consequences to accelerate as part of his judgment on them (2:2), and (2) to make them realize their need for salvation (2:4).” </p>
<p>PLEASE HELP ME!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason1365</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason1365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, sin and lust, what&#039;s the correlation?  Desiring a woman is not sin.  Dwelling on the desire is - that is lust.  Lust is also much more than sexual, but the sexual side is the one of interest.

In regards to the sin in the Garden, the text seems to say that the sin occurred when the man and woman ate.  This would go back to James 1:14,15 -  But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.  Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
Lust gives birth to sin.  Dwelling on the desires brings about the action - the sin.

Without the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, there wouldn&#039;t have been an opportunity to reject God and demonstrate freewill.  Without freewill, there isn&#039;t love.  I believe I went into depth on this topic in another posting.  So, you are correct, that without the tree there wouldn&#039;t have been lusting after it, but then again there could never be love, freewill, rejection, etc.

I hope that we have established a distinction between desiring a woman and dwelling on impure sexual thoughts/fantasies/etc.  The desire for sex is God-given and good, given proper boundaries.

So, what&#039;s the difference.  The difference are the consequences.  Lusting is a sin and so is acting it out.  Continuing to sin is a sin.  So, once you have sinned, it is not OK to continue.  Therefore it&#039;s not OK to commit sexual sin after the mental sin.  But even still, the lusting hurts you, your relationships, your future, everything.  But following through with sexual immorality imparts consequences on others.  So, the severity of the consequences is much greater, even though both are sins.

I believe all should be inquisitive, curious, and open to asking and being asked hard questions.  Understanding life is important and should never be skirted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, sin and lust, what&#8217;s the correlation?  Desiring a woman is not sin.  Dwelling on the desire is &#8211; that is lust.  Lust is also much more than sexual, but the sexual side is the one of interest.</p>
<p>In regards to the sin in the Garden, the text seems to say that the sin occurred when the man and woman ate.  This would go back to James 1:14,15 &#8211;  But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.  Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.<br />
Lust gives birth to sin.  Dwelling on the desires brings about the action &#8211; the sin.</p>
<p>Without the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, there wouldn&#8217;t have been an opportunity to reject God and demonstrate freewill.  Without freewill, there isn&#8217;t love.  I believe I went into depth on this topic in another posting.  So, you are correct, that without the tree there wouldn&#8217;t have been lusting after it, but then again there could never be love, freewill, rejection, etc.</p>
<p>I hope that we have established a distinction between desiring a woman and dwelling on impure sexual thoughts/fantasies/etc.  The desire for sex is God-given and good, given proper boundaries.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the difference.  The difference are the consequences.  Lusting is a sin and so is acting it out.  Continuing to sin is a sin.  So, once you have sinned, it is not OK to continue.  Therefore it&#8217;s not OK to commit sexual sin after the mental sin.  But even still, the lusting hurts you, your relationships, your future, everything.  But following through with sexual immorality imparts consequences on others.  So, the severity of the consequences is much greater, even though both are sins.</p>
<p>I believe all should be inquisitive, curious, and open to asking and being asked hard questions.  Understanding life is important and should never be skirted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Danger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Danger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon that lust is not necessarily the equivalent of sexual desire - if it was, then it would be a sin to desire your wife. I think lust is the desire to use a person as an object exclusively for your own sexual gratification. So defined then, it is possible to lust after your own wife and sin sexually (although healthy marital relationships are not of this charater). It&#039;s interesting, though, to define lust as sexual desire for something you aren&#039;t supposed to have. After all, wasn&#039;t that Adam&#039;s sin? Would he have desired the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil if it hadn&#039;t been forbidden to him?

Also - If merely desiring a woman is just as sinful as actually sleeping with her, then would it follow that if you desire a woman you might as well go ahead and sleep with her to satisfy your curiosity rather than go on desiring her, because either way you&#039;re just as guilty? Take an example of three men - Tom, Dick and Harry. All three desire Jane sexually. Tom and Dick are handsome, Harry is ugly. Jane sleeps with Tom. She offers herself to Dick, but he refuses her even though he desires her because he knows that it would be a sin. Jane doesn&#039;t bother offering herself to Harry, but if she had, Harry would have jumped her bones. Are all three equally guilty?

I know I sound like a philosopher, but I am a Christian - just an insatiably curious one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon that lust is not necessarily the equivalent of sexual desire &#8211; if it was, then it would be a sin to desire your wife. I think lust is the desire to use a person as an object exclusively for your own sexual gratification. So defined then, it is possible to lust after your own wife and sin sexually (although healthy marital relationships are not of this charater). It&#8217;s interesting, though, to define lust as sexual desire for something you aren&#8217;t supposed to have. After all, wasn&#8217;t that Adam&#8217;s sin? Would he have desired the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil if it hadn&#8217;t been forbidden to him?</p>
<p>Also &#8211; If merely desiring a woman is just as sinful as actually sleeping with her, then would it follow that if you desire a woman you might as well go ahead and sleep with her to satisfy your curiosity rather than go on desiring her, because either way you&#8217;re just as guilty? Take an example of three men &#8211; Tom, Dick and Harry. All three desire Jane sexually. Tom and Dick are handsome, Harry is ugly. Jane sleeps with Tom. She offers herself to Dick, but he refuses her even though he desires her because he knows that it would be a sin. Jane doesn&#8217;t bother offering herself to Harry, but if she had, Harry would have jumped her bones. Are all three equally guilty?</p>
<p>I know I sound like a philosopher, but I am a Christian &#8211; just an insatiably curious one&#8230;</p>
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